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Отправлено Алексей Чумаков, православный христианин, 09:37:05 30/07/2001
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Re (6): Паки и паки, отправлено
Candide,
христианин, РПЦ, 03:51:55 25/07/2001
Касательно исторических сведений о молитве святым, мне тут знакомые православные американцы (бывшие протестанты, кстати) дали несколько ссылок по тему — дабы не потерялись, я их тут задокументирую, хоть и по английски (потом не найти будет в куче емель): DOCUMENTS OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH, 2nd edn., ed. Henry Bettenson: Pray for thy parents, Matronata Matrona. She lived 1 yr. 52d. -Lateran Atticus, sleep in peace, secure in thy safety, and pray anxiously for our sins. — Found near S. Sabina. Third century, Autun, France: "May my mother sleep well, I pray thee, Light of the dead. Aschandius my father, dearly beloved of my heart, with my sweet mother and my brethren, remember thy Pectorius in the peace of the Fish." (It is interesting also that the first section of the Autun inscription is in the strongest degree Eucharistic.) One clearly incised inscription which I have seen myself in the Catacombs of St. Sebastian in Rome (late Ist, early IInd C) is the following: PAVLE ET PETRE PETITE PRO VICTORE. It stuck in my mind, perhaps because of the reversal of the names of the Glorious Apostles (more commonly, Peter and Paul). There are several more imploiring prayers especially in the Catacomb of Pope St. Kallistos. I had forgotten to mention that often some will accuse the practice of praying to saints as a novelty that was brought into the Church during her alleged corruption after Constantine. They would allege that the more Hebraic (non-Hellenized) Church would condemn such a practice. Admittedly, prayers to the departed were not a regular practice in Jewish life. However, it would be erroneous to say that (at least Talmudic) Judaism was wholly opposed to the practice. There a few examples in the Talmud where people called out or prayed to a departed person (a person who was considered saintly), and their prayer was heard. Furthermore, these actions were painted in a good light—not disparaged. Here is one example: "R. Zerika said to R. Safra: Come and see the difference between the [so called] hard men of Palestine and the pious men of Babylonia. When the world was in need of rain the pious men of Babylonia, R. Huna and R. Hisda said: Let us assemble and pray, perhaps the Holy One, Blessed be He, may be reconciled and send rain. But the great men of Palestine, as for example, R. Jonah the father of R. Mani, would go into his house when the world was in need of rain and say to his [family]: Get my haversack and I shall go and buy grain for a zuz. When he left his house he would go and stand in some low-lying spot, and then standing in this hidden spot, as it is written, Out of the depths have I called thee O Lord, dressed insackcloth he prayed and rain came. When he returned home [his family] asked him, Have you brought the grain? He replied: Now that rain has come the world will feel relieved. Again his son, R. Mani, was annoyed by the members of the household of the Patriarch, he went and prostrated himself on the grave of his father and exclaimed: Father, father, these people persecute me. Once as they were passing [the grave] the knees of their horses became stiff [and remained so] until they undertook not to persecute him any longer." (Babylonian Talmud Mo'ed 4, Ta'anith 23b, Page 121, Soncino Press, London)
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